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Subject: FZ BIBLE repost 1/2 TAPE PDC-3 E-METER DEMO 1 DEC 52 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.clearing.technology Message-ID: Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 1062 Xref: newscene.newscene.com alt.religion.scientology:539637 alt.clearing.technology:65893 FREEZONE BIBLE ASSOCIATION TECH POST (posted twice and never made it, so reposting, part 2/2 appeared last week) ************************************************** TAPE LECTURE 1 DEC 52 PDC 3 Part 1 of 2 This lecture was omitted from the almost complete set of PDC (Philadelphia Doctorate Course) tape transcripts that was available on the net. ************************************************** STATEMENT OF PURPOSE Our purpose is to promote religious freedom and the Scientology Religion by spreading the Scientology Tech across the internet. The Cof$ abusively suppresses the practice and use of Scientology Tech by FreeZone Scientologists. 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Even if you do not believe in Scientology or the Scientology Tech, we hope that you do believe in religious freedom and will choose to aid us for that reason. Thank You, The FZ Bible Association ************************************************** (part 1 of 2) 5212C01: Creative Processing, demo of E-Meter Auditing. Philadelphia Doctorate Course lecture 3. 58 Minutes. An auditing demonstration given on 1 December 1952 Based on New R&D Volume 13 and verified against the old late 1970s blue volume transcripts that went with the old loose original cassette version of the tapes. Note that the old transcript was done in a sloppy manner and has occasional inacuracies which are corrected in the R&D volume. The R&D transcript matches the old cassette. (Note: The recording from which this auditing demonstration was transcribed begins with the demonstration already in progress.) (the pc is a cheerful sounding girl). PC: ... but it was - it wasn't a high - a school group. LRH: It wasn't a school group. It was outside the school! PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Flopped, huh! PC: Mm-hm . (The fragment above is omitted from the old transcript but included in the R&D). LRH: [to audience] So we've got a small - a group creating things. Now there'll be some other material, because listen - listen, listen to this: Your locks (these are just locks) would not lock up on anything less than a ridge which goes, often, the whole length of the track - the whole track. What you see reacting on that machine is held in suspension and you're only getting a surface manifestation of a whole lot of material. You don't have to know all the material that's there because Creative Processing solves it like shooting a shotgun: you don't have to be a good shot. But this just tells you that there's a lot of stuff here on groups making things. Now, if you wanted to go over this, we could go over this. Let's just give you a little example here. [to pc] Did you ever get together in some past life with a group of people and create a temple! (pause) No hands! (audience laughter) [to audience] We could go on like that and we would find that it was a chain that went the whole length of the thing. And actually, when I get all this written down, you have the anatomy of the service facsimile chain here. Okay. Fourth - you could probably reduce it down to the first computation or the first thing that made that chain come into being. [to pc] All right, fourth dynamic. How about man, species of men - man as a species! Is he a beast! How about man as a species! We got a drop on that. That's why I had to reset the machine. What about man! Mankind - is that different than man! How about mankind! Well, how about a race of alligators! Huh! Were you ever a member of any other kind of a race than this kind of a race! Huh! Say, tell me, is the body you're stuck in an animal body, not a man's body! Could be, huh! PC: It could be anything. LRH: Yeah, all right. [to audience] Now, we look at mankind and we've noticed there that there's just a little reaction on the thing. [to pc] If you had to create a race, would you create the human race! PC: Hm. I got a "no" on that. LRH: You got a no. Boy, that is certainly ... Yeah, there's just a little tiny dip. Doesn't matter much. Now let's get into a real interesting subject with you. PC: Mm-hm . LRH: If you could, would you create cats! Dogs! Would you create dogs! Would you create snakes! PC: No. LRH: Well, how about snakes! [to audience] Freud ran into this one head-on, by the way. He just ran into this one with such glorious abandon that he kept right on going on it. He never stopped and looked at his data. Fabulous, but he never did. He found out that you take all young girls - really, practically all young girls - and you'd say "snakes" to them and they'd go "skreee!" And that they were loused up on the second dynamic - loused up is a technical term for being aberrated - and they're all loused up on this second dynamic and they would go "scream" on the subject of snakes. So he says, "Aha!" (I don't know what he had in his bank.) But he - that - he was operating, actually, to say that symbol snake, then, is a symbol for sex, and "the unconscious mind as it gets these horrible things down underneath the mind, they come out in terms of symbols," and that's what the snake is, is a symbol. It isn't. It isn't. It isn't even vaguely. Only, there are races of snakes - you don't have to take my word for this - there are races of snakes around in places, and snakes and the GE were always getting ... If you ever saw a monkey look at a snake you would know what I was talking about, because snakes dined most sumptuously upon monkeys. And you get - you say "snake" to a monkey or hiss like a,snake to a monkey and he'll just scream! Much better reaction than you get out of a young Home sapiens girl. And then you go back on the track, and I haven't asked any general preclear to amount to anything, but... [to pc] Did you ever know anywhere on the track a race of snakes that could talk! PC: Hm! LRH: Well, just think about that for a moment. A race of snakes that could talk - snakes making sounds, making sounds. Did you ever know of talking snakes! Do you think of snakes as being very wise! Are they very 1.1? Kind of I.1. Are you just bracing on this subject here! Well, what if you found a snake curled around your ankle right this minute! PC: Ooh. LRH: What's the matter! Well, curl one around your ankle just now. Go ahead, go ahead. Now get the slither as he goes off. (instead of "curl one around your ankle just now", the old transcript says "a curl went around your ankel just now?".) PC: Oh. LRH: Can you get that! Huh! PC: I could, but I don't want to. LRH: Oh, you could. Well, I tell you what. Put the snake way over there by the door. Got that! A little - little, tiny snake, a worm. Put a worm over by the door. You got the worm over there on the door now! Huh! PC: Yeah . LRH: You got the worm on the door! PC: Yeah . LRH: Turn him red. You got him over there! Turn him red. PC: Yeah. LRH: Turn him blue. PC: Yeah. LRH: Turn him pink. Now put him way out in the hall. PC: Okay LRH: You got him way out there in the hall! PC: Yeah. LRH: Now put him downstairs. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Okay, now put him upstairs. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Let's put him in yesterday. Did you! PC: No. LRH: What happened! He won't go in yesterday? PC: Mm. LRH: What! PC: Something about yesterday being closed, you can't get in there. LRH: Ah! That's a very bad reaction on time. All right. Now you got that small - you got that small snake downstairs there! Small worm! PC: Yeah. Mm-hm. LRH: All right, put him way out on the street. Got him out there on the street! PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Now, when he's out there on the street, turn him into a black snake. PC: Okay. LRH: Got him out there! PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Black snake! PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Now make him red. PC: Mm-hm LRH: Now put a pretty diamond shape on his back. Way out there now. PC: Yeah, okay. LRH: All right, have him bite a pedestrian. Hm! PC: Yeah. LRH: Got him biting a pedestrian! PC: Yeah. LRH: Now have him get mysteriously big and have him eat the pedestrian all up. Got him! PC: Yeah. LRH: Tell me when he's finished. All right. Now, give him a toothpick and have him pick his teeth. You got him out there picking his teeth! PC: Yeah. LRH: Good. Bring him up the steps. Bring him - bring him in the place and up the steps. Can you get him here! PC: Yeah. LRH: Huh! PC: Mm-hm. LRH: All right. Now, tie a napkin around his chin. PC: Yeah. LRH: Feed him a pork chop. PC: Okay. LRH: Feed him a chicken. PC: Okay. LRH: All right. Have him - get sonic on his saying "Thank you." Got him saying "Thank you"? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Now have him say, "Come with me to the Casbah," Come on. PC: Okay . LRH: You got him saying that! PC: Yeah. LRH: Now have him say, "Kiss me." Got him saying that? PC: Yeah. LRH: Turn him white. Got him white! Even if it's - dirty gray is all right. You got him white? PC: No, I have to bring him closer to turn him white and I don't want to. LRH: Oh, you - you bring him closer. Well, turn him red. PC: Okay. LRH: Now put a big barbwire fence right near you that he couldn't possibly get through. PC: Okay. LRH: Now bring him closer and turn him white. Got him? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: All right. Now turn him black. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Now, make him get older. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Oh, make him get real old. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Make him get so old he rots away and turns to dust. Got the dust? Got him doeun to the skeleton. LRH: Down to the skeleton. Well, can't you take some of the skeleton and powder it up in a mortar and pestle? Huh? Just - just ... PC: He's disintegrated. LRH: You got him? PC: Yeah. LRH: All right, now take some of that dust and make it very, very fine and powder your nose with it. Come on, come on, let's - let's powder some other girl's nose with it, then. PC: Okay. LRH: You got that? PC: Yeah. LRH: Now powder your nose with it. PC: Okay. LRH: Take the barbwire fence away. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Create him about a sixth of the size you had him before. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Got him? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Now have him get just a little bit bigger. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Now create a cat and have the cat jump in and eat him all up. PC: Okay. LRH: He's all eaten up? PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Now, turn the cat into a snake. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Got the cat - the snake? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: All right. Now, turn - turn the cat into a snake, you got that. Now make another cat. PC: Okay. LRH: All right. Now, have the snake rub against the other cat. PC: Okay. LRH: Have the snake rub against the microphone. PC: Okay. LRH: Have the snake rub against the side of your chair. PC: Okay. LRH: Have the snake coil around your ankle and purr. PC: And purr? LRH: Mm-hm. Have him purr. After all, he was once a cat. Have him purr. PC: Okay. LRH: You got him? Mow have him uncoil. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Now have him go on outside. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Drink a Coca-Cola. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: And explode. PC: Yup! LRH: Okay. That finished snakes. Now on the sixth dynamic, what about the MEST universe? Would you preserve the MEST universe? PC: Think so. LRH: Hm? PC:I think so. LRH: Let me ask you one more question on the fifth dynamic. How about birds? You like birds? How about creating birds? PC: Yeah. LRH: Hm? PC: Yeah. LRH: Yeah. Okay, would you preserve the MEST universe if you had to? You like the MEST universe? What about the MEST universe? PC: Nothing. LRH: Nothing, that's right. All right, how about spirits? PC: Spirits? LRH: Spirits, yes, spirits - spiritualism, spirits, ghosts. PC: Nothing. LRH: Nothing. Now let's take up God. Would you create God? PC: No . LRH: No. Would you create Christ? PC: No. LRH: Now, would you take a thetan and destroy him? PC: Hm-mm. LRH: Would you destroy a thetan? PC: No. LRH: What - would you destroy somebody's memory completely? PC: I don't think so. LRH: You wouldn't destroy anybody's memory, huh? PC: Hm. LRH: [to audience] Write down here "memory valuable." Okay, that's very small but this is quite interesting. All right - because that means if a person won't destroy memory they won't destroy an engram. All right, let's take the next segment of it. [to pc] Now, how about something that would work ages, all down through the ages to build something and then somebody come along and destroy him. And what about - what about your body? What did you just think of? What about your body? Would you kill yourself? PC: Hm. LRH: Well, would you? PC: Might . LRH: You might. PC: Mm. LRH: Would you blow your brains out? PC: Think I'd choose a less ... LRH: Hm? PC: ... a less painful way. LRH: Oh, there's less painful ways. How about - how about - what do they call that stuff? - bichloride of mercury? How about that? Okay. Now, would you destroy - would you destroy institutions that favored sex? PC: Institutions that...? LRH: Would you destroy an institution that was against sex? Tell me, would you take a little child and break its neck? PC: No. LRH: Would you take a woman and destroy her? PC: No. LRH: Would you take a man - a man - and ruin him so he could never be a lover? PC: No. What are you thinking about? [to audience] Sex again. This is destruction on sex, but it's not active destruction. It's over here, it's sex - a small, small drop on that. She has much - she has an action on both of them, would much rather destroy, really, than create on that line. [to pc] Is that right? Sort of feel that way? PC: No . LRH: Well, you'd much - much less likely to destroy - much less likely to create than destroy. You think you'd better destroy on that line, is that right? PC: No. LRH: You don't think so? PC: No. (laugh) LRH: You wouldn't want to destroy on that line? PC: No. (laugh) LRH: You wouldn't want to, huh? PC: No. (laugh) LRH: We got a wonderful maybe there. Okay, now, little children and that sort of thing, we can sum up about what this thing is. Now, in terms of groups - here's a group and they have just built something. Would you come along and shoot it to pieces? Would you act as an agent provoc ---. What's that? PC: Hm? LRH: Oh, that's the same one we got before. Balanced creation. All right, would you act as an agent prouocateur which would destroy the very foundation of a nation? PC: Might. LRH: You might? PC: Hm. LRH: Doesn't look to me like you'd mind destroying a nation. PC: Hm. LRH: Is that sufficiently abstract? How about a family? How about destroying a family, wiping it out? PC: Mm. LRH: [to audience] Family, of course, fits right there between two and three, kind of. [to pc] Now, on a group of people - let's take the people you went to high school with. Now, would you take that whole group and abolish high school as an institution? PC: Gladly. LRH: You would, huh? Educational groups. Now, let's take mankind again. Let's say that you had a button right there alongside of you and just by pressing that button - you'd be perfectly safe, but just by pressing the button, that all mankind would cease to exist. Would you press that button? PC: Hm-mm. No. LRH: You wouldn't? PC: Hm-mm. LRH: No, it'd take a half an hour's sales talk, I see now. There you go on that. Okay. Now, let's take destruction of cats. Would you kill a cat. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Would you kill a dog? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Would you kill a monkey? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Would you kill a snake? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: [to audience] This tick got a little bit less - a little, tiny bit of charge on it. [to pc] Now, would you kill a bird? PC: Mm-hm . LRH: Let's have a little dove. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Would you kill this little dove? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: He's saying, "Coo, coo" and so on, would you bump him off? PC: Yeah. LRH: [to audience] Yeah, I'm afraid she would. [to pc] Okay, now, on the sixth - would you destroy the MEST universe? PC: Right now? LRH: Mm-hm. Or would you create the MEST universe? Well - say - would you create the MEST universe all over again? PC: Hm. LRH: Would you destroy the MEST universe? PC: Hm-mm . LRH: No charge on that. How about killing a spirit? Let's say this poor spirit had been haunting this castle for a number of years, and would you come along and end his existence forever? PC: Mm-hm . LRH: [to audience] Yeah, I'm afraid she would. [to pc] Now, how about God? Would you knock him off? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Would you kill God? PC: Mm-hm . LRH: Hey, look, would you kill God after all he's done for you? PC: Yes. LRH: Yeah? Oh, you thought about it, didn't you? Go on, did you - would you kill God? PC: Yes . LRH: [to audience] Boy, I'm afraid that goes on the side of enthusiasm. This is too good. We'll put down here "too good," with a medium drop. Okay. [to pc] Now, let's go into it just a little bit further. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Now, let's think about dead bodies, huh? PC: Yeah . LRH: Just think about dead bodies there for a moment. What are you thinking about them? PC: Dead bodies. LRH: Well, what are you thinking about them? PC: Nothing particular. Just ... LRH: Well, what about them? Nothing in particular? How about unburied bodies? PC: I euas thinking of unburied dead bodies. LRH: Is that what you were thinking about? PC: Yes . LRH: You weren't thinking of any buried ones? PC: No. LRH: Well then, tell me, is it buried - unburied on a plateau? Is it unburied on a stream? Is it unburied in a house? Is it unburied in a - what are you thinking of? In a tomb? Is it lying - what did you think of? Would you rather it hadn't been put in a tomb? Is it unburied in a tomb? Is it just lying there in a large sort of a temple, kind of out in the open? You got a body lying around anyplace? PC: It seems to be more an indoor sort of place. LRH: Oh, indoors ... PC: Mm-hm. LRH: ... indoors, but it's not in a sarcophagus or anything like that, huh? Hey, is it a mummy? PC: I don't think so. LRH: Well, is it wrapped up so that you still think it's alive? PC: Hm-mm. LRH: Well, what's this all about? Was it lying in a box or on a table? PC: On a table. LRH: On a table. Okay. Where's the table located in the room? PC: Seems to be against a wall. LRH: Against the wall, huh? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: And the body's just lying there on it, huh? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: And where - where is the feet facing? Another wall, very close to another wall? Is it in a corner, in other words, or ... ? PC: I don't think so. LRH: Is it raised off the table a little bit? PC: Might be. LRH: Now, give me this - what's the year it died? PC: Hm? LRH: Is it in fhe last hundred years? Is it in the last thousand years? Is it in the last ten thousand years? The last hundred thousand years? The last million years? You know, I keep getting that as a short time span. Tens of years. Is it fifty years? Is it less than fifty years? Is it more than fifty years? Ah, now we got some action. Is it seventy-five years? Very close to seventy-five years? Just a little bit more than seventy-five years? Little less than seventy-five years? Is it sometime around the year of 1875? PC: Mm. LRH: Seventy-six? More than that? Later than that? Earlier than that? Later than that? Come on, what have you got? You just dodged on that one. PC: I did? LRH: Yeah. Yes, you did. What is it? 1775, 1776? [1875, 1876] About seventyfive years ago, it says, What country? Western Hemisphere? Eastern Hemisphere? Eastern Hemisphere? Western Hemisphere? PC: Western, I think. LRH: Western Hemisphere? PC: Mm-hm . LRH: Yeah, all right, you're getting it spotted - Western Hemisphere. North or South America? North America? North America? South America? Central America? Central America? PC: Mm-hm . LRH: Evidently North America. Maybe just the southern portion of North America. North America? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: East of the Mississippi? West of the Mississippi? West of the Mississippi. PC: Yeah. LRH: In the United States? PC: Mm-hm . LRH: Uh-huh. Is it way out on the Pacific coast? On the Pacific coast. Northern part of the US Pacific coast? Which of the following states is it in: Washington? Oregon? California? Washington? State of Washington? Idaho? Washington-Idaho-Wyoming sector up there? Oregon? Washington? Now, just - just where is that in error? Washington what? Take a look at the map of the United States and there - a white spot will appear in the right-place. PC: I've got a map of the United States. LRH: And what do you see on that - where's that spot? Come on, where's the spot? Where's the spot? PC: There isn't any. LRH: Hm? PC: There isn't any. LRH: There isn't any spot. Well, put a black X on it. Where do you get that black X? It's up there in the Northwest. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Northwestern part of the United States? PC: Yeah. LRH: North central part? Hey, look, do I have to take a look at this map for you? Where is this stiff? All right, is it a man? A woman? Is it a woman? Is it a man? Say, look, is there some kind of an electronic dispersal going off of that body? Some kind of a kick off the body? Is there something emanating from that body? Is there something trying to emanate from it? Are you trying to emanate from it? Is it a dispersal? PC: Mm-hm. LRH: This meter says you're staying with it and you're running away from it, and you're staying with it and you're running away from it. Sometimes you're on the subject and sometimes you're off the subject and sometimes you're on the subject. Come on, identify this body, will you? Is it in a house in the woods? And nobody came along to bury it. Is that right? PC: Might be. LRH: Were you living alone and it died? Or are you staying with somebody else's body? Is it somebody else, not your body? Your body? PC: I think it's mine. LRH: [to audience] It's never somebody else's body, it's always his own body - preclear's. [to pc] Okay, well, we got this more or less located, but was this person a man? A woman? Oh, a child? Man or a woman or a child? You just thought of something. What was it? What did you just think of? Let's think of that again. PC: Horrible for a child to die. LRH: Huh? PC: Horrible for a child to die. LRH: Yeah, yeah, isn't it? Tsk? Tsk? Too young, huh? All its life ahead of him. Puts a big datum in the bullpen. How old is this kid? How old is this child? PC: I got a "ten" on that. LRH: About ten? PC: Uh-huh. LRH: Somewhere around that. Nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one - ten? Eleven, twelve? Now, you're just kind of running away from that thing again. That's very interesting. [to audience] You notice that up-rise on a case of this type, that's a dispersal. It's a "Let's get the hell out of here." [to pc] All right, who was very sympathetic to this child just before it died? Who said, "My poor little baby, do not leave me," or words to that effect? [to audience] Well, we've got all the data we know - want to know. This tells you that you do mock-ups drilled toward time, and this tells you that you do mock-ups of being stuck in, and being and not being a small child; and this tells you that you do mock-ups, a few additional mock-ups - although we did almost enough, if you noticed on the meter when we came back on the machine, to fix up snakes. That's some kind of an idea of how fast this confounded Creative Processing is. When you know how to do it, it just goes off like hot butter. And we got here God - just too good, it's just too good. She'd love to get in there with her knee on his chest, or something like that, and cut his throat, preferably quietly, slowly, slowly - I mean so he'd have to moan, huh? So he'd moan, kind of. And he'd probably heal up his throat so you could cut it again. [to pc] Or would you just blow him up? Go up full of wrath and destruction and blow him up? Or would you kind of put a straitjacket on him and sort of cut his throat and cut it again. And maybe take out one eyeball and rub it with sandpaper a little bit. [to audience] All right, there's one more question to get this assessment properly. [to pc] There's one more question I will have to ask you. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: One more question and that is, what are you afraid you're going to see? Come on, tell me. What are you afraid you're going to see? You got to open your eyes to show me that you're not afraid to see anything. But, what are you afraid you'll see? Which one of these dynamics is it? Which one is it? PC: I got "eight" the first time you ... LRH: Eight - you're liable to see God? Who in your family was a member of the Christian Science church? PC: Nobody. LRH: No? PC: No. LRH: Nobody. Just a minute while I put the E-Meter back on the stage! PC: How do you like that? LRH: Come on now, come on now. You want me to get a bright light and a chair that rocks this way and say, "Okay, sister, come clean"? Is it God? What would you feel like if God suddenly appeared? PC: Mm. LRH: [to audience] That's the neatest trick of this universe, though. God is everywhere. It's his space; it could never be your space. Guy gets thoroughly sold on that, he's done. [to pc] When did you think when you were a little kid there about God being everywhere? Was God a spy? Did you spy on people when you were a little child? Is God a spy? PC: Hm. LRH: Tell me, just speaking of things at large and common everyday places, are you a member of the Fifth Invader Force? PC: Didn't get anything on that. 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